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1 10 2010

BREAKING NEWS: Malacañang has denied rumors that President Aquino has abandoned Roman Catholicism for another religion. Likewise, palace sources insist there’s no truth to rumors that the President is forming his own ministry called, “Ang Tuwid na Daan.”


The CBCP’s Threat
Interviewed on Radio Veritas, CBCP president and Tandag, Surigao del Sur Bishop Nereo Odchimar said the Catholic Church might excommunicate President Aquino if the government pushed through with a plan to distribute contraceptives. In the same interview, Bishop Odchimar appealed to Andres Bonifacio and the Katipuneros to surrender to the Spanish government.

The CBCP’s Threat II
Malacañang is reportedly unfazed by CBCP president Nereo Odchimar’s excommunication threat. Palace insiders say President Aquino will neither bow to nor be cowed by the CBCP president… unless he’s Chinese.

This just in!
CBCP president Bishop Nereo Odchimar has denied saying that President Aquino may be excommunicated. He insisted that his statement was “taken out of context” and “blown out of proportion” by the media. “Taken out of context” and “Blown out of proportion” – Hmm, is Odchimar a member of the CBCP or the Presidential Communications Group?


Heckling Tour Guide
Social activist/Manila tour guide and Reproductive Health Bill advocate Carlos Celdran was arrested and detained Thursday for disrupting a mass at the Manila Cathedral. Dressed in a Jose Rizal-inspired outfit, Celdran stood in front of the altar, flashed a sign that read, “Damaso,” and shouted, “Stop getting involved in politics” in protest of the Church’ anti-RH Bill stance. Celdran was detained for almost 24 at the Manila Police District Station 5 in Ermita during which he started to write two novels.

Reports say Manila Mayor Alfredo Lim together with some soldiers, and policemen were attending mass at the Manila Cathedral when Carlos Celdran staged a solo protest action Thursday. Interviewed by GMA News, the police said it was Mayor Lim who ordered that Celdran be taken into custody. Lim is expected to deny that.

Manila tour guide Carlos Celdran was detained for disrupting a mass at the Manila Cathedral Thursday. The visibly upset priest decided to cut short the mass… and ordered Basilio and Crispin to usher Celdran out of the cathedral.

Light Bites: Modern Dictionary
Ex.Communication, noun: Term that may be used to describe Secretaries Herminio Coloma, Ricky Carandang and Atty. Edwin Lacierda if they don’t get their act together
Example: Uy, ex.communication group head na pala si blah-blah! Kailan pa?

The IIRC Report: Reviewed
Malacañang says Executive Sec. Paquito Ochoa and Chief Presidential Legal Counsel Eduardo de Mesa have finished reviewing the IIRC report on the August 23 hostage crisis. Palace spokesman Edwin Lacierda says the results of the review will be posted at http://www.gov.ph. It will be uploaded five hours after it appears on www.gov.cn.

Miriam vs. Chavit
There’s an ongoing war between Senator Miriam Defensor-Santiago and Ilocos Sur Governor Luis “Chavit’ Singson. The rift surprises a number of people mainly because neither Miriam nor Chavit belongs to either the Balay or the Samar Group.


On her Twitter account, Senator Miriam Defensor-Santiago called Ilocos Sur Governor Luis Singson, “Sabit Singson.” Singson retaliated by calling Santiago, “Brenda” on his Friendster shoutout.

Splitsville?
Persistent rumors say President Aquino and his girlfriend have called it quits. Observers believe the President would have not quit on the girl if her name was “Smoking.”

President Aquino and his girlfriend reportedly broke up. And Enrico Puno was like, “Don’t look at me!”

Rumors say the President and his girlfriend have separated. And Kris Aquino was like, “Win na Win!”

No to Smoking
Valenzuela City Councilor Shalani Soledad has endorsed the Philippine Medical Association’s new smoking ban policy. And people were like, “Ahh, break na nga!”

In Entertainment
An amended petition filed by the lawyers of Kris Aquino claims the TV host and James Yap both have “personality disorders” since their youth. And I was like, is that even news?
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“That’s me in the corner
That’s me in the spotlight
Losing my religion”

~ REM, Losing My Religion

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123 responses

1 10 2010
just some visitor...

Um…regarding excommunication, there is no such thing as an “excommunication ceremony”, it doesn’t exists. Excommunication entails the Pope or a bishop/archbishop issuing a decree, or at least informing the person that he/she is excommunicated from the Catholic church. As simple as that, wala nang ek-ek na seremonyas :P

1 10 2010
professionalheckler

i read about that. hayaan na natin. :-) ayan, binago ko na para walang ma-confuse. thanks.

2 10 2010
ProfessionalDinAko

If P-Noy gets excommunicated, what happens to his communications group (Lacierda, Coloma and Carandang)? Ex-communicated na rin? Grabe, eh di EX-MEN na silang lahat? LOL

1 10 2010
DEL

This is the beginning of the end of Roman Catholiscm in the Philippines!

Ano ba sermon ng pari nung timem na nagprotesta si Celdran? Pagpapatawad? Bat di nila pinatawad si Celdran? Pinakulong pa, hahaha.

The preachers do not practice what they preach!

2 10 2010
etchosera

Ate Del, I beg to disagree on your last sentence!

These preachers DO practice what they preach regarding contraceptives!

Contraceptives are a no no for them…. because asthey say, the Clergy in fact don’t need them.

Kasi nga po, these preachers only DO sakristans and seminaristas…….
not the manangs in the house!

Juicemio! I SHOULD know!

Ang magreact violently….. GUILTY!

2 10 2010
sam

i agree with you DEL.

TAMA Na ang pangingialam ng simbahang catoliko sa politika!!!!!

sobra na!!! dakdak cla ng dakdak wala naman sila maibigay na solusyon sa population natin. Bakit, napapakain ba nila ang mahihirap?

kainis!

1 10 2010
Silver

The CBCP wanted the Philippines to return to the outdated FRAYLOCRATIC rule.

They are so meddling lately. Ugh.

This time, I am with Celdran. Kulang pa ang DAMASO sa kanila. Dapat sinama din ang FRAY BOTOD from Graciano Lopez Jaena’s work.

2 10 2010
sam

KUDOS to carlos celdran for taking a stand!

seriously, andami na tlaga nating mga pilipino. as in. ang sikip sikip na!

1 10 2010
anne

I think PNoy is pro-RH bill with her sister Kris in mind. Maybe he thinks that Kris needs it the most.

1 10 2010
kalokah

carlos celdran is not writing his ‘mi ultimo adios’ right?

team carlos celdran.

1 10 2010
LM

i love carlos celdran! mabuhay ka kumadre! patayin mga kalahi ni damaso! sulong mga kapatid!

shalani, na iintindihan ka namin. nagmamahal, Ma. Clara.

noy, kung saan ka masaya, susuportahan kita. love, Yosi Kadiri

1 10 2010
rai

“BRENDA”
hahah, panalo!
i was depressed before reading this page
that made my day, thank you

1 10 2010
heck626

buti naman split na sila ni shalani kasi masyadong maganda si councilor. baka maging tulad lang ng princess di at prince charles ang storya.

may kagat pa ba ang excommunication ng RCC e ang dami na nga ang di na nasimba dun?

1 10 2010
Lola Nila

1, eh ano kung itawalag ng simbahan kotoliko si PNoy, eh daming ibang simbahan dyan..eh kung ayaw ng pari gumamit ng pills, di wag pilitin!

2. shalani and PNoy, tlagang wlang mapuntahan ang knilang relasyon dhil puro mga dry ang 2 ito. mga walang L*b*g sa katawan.

2 10 2010
sam

lola nila,

tama ka ka sa number 1. bakit di gayahan ni pnoy si Henry VIII. tnayo niya church of england when he was excommunicated. yun nga lang KAYA ba ni Pnoy? hahaha.

1 10 2010
Anonymous

Magiging Best Seller ang isusulat ni Carlos.

1 10 2010
senior60

na, may personality disorder si kris is not news,

at ito ay tanggap mismo ni kris dahil pumayag sya

sa amended petition, pero, para isama pa si james,

hindi naman tama dahil, dahil hindi tama….

or kaya pumayag si kris dahil kasama si james sa said

amended petition, in other words, nandamay pa, na hindi

naman tama dahil, dahil hindi tama….

etchosera, etchosen mo nga ako hahaha

tama dahil, dahil hindi tama…

2 10 2010
etchosera

Ako… ako, lagi na lang ako?

Bakit lagi na lang ako ang dapat sumagot sa mga tanong ng mga may personality disorders?

Is this a case of, birds of a feather …. cannot fly?

1 10 2010
bwahaha.com.ph

another bwahaha reading. good job.

1 10 2010
raul

galing. another masterpiece. congrats!

1 10 2010
hikatalomato

simple lang naman ang dahilan kung bakit kinikilabutan ang simbahang katoliko sa artificial birth control.

gusto nilang lumubo ng major major population ng flippines. kung maraming tao, syempre:

1. maraming magbibigay ng tithes at offering = major major kita
2. maraming magpapabinyag = mmk
3. maraming magpapakasal = mmk
4. maraming magpapalibing = mmk
5. maraming magpapabahay = mmk mula sa house blessing
6. maraming sugarol = lalaki ang church donasyon ng mga gambling lord
7. maraming adik = lalaki ang church donasyon ng mga drug lord
8. maraming manganganak = endless supply of children to be molested

2 10 2010
etchosera

mmk? writer ka ni Ma’am Charo, no?

Sige, padala ko rin sayo istorya ng aking colorful life!

Tsura lang ng coloring book na nabibili sa National Bookstore, kung kulay din lang naman ang pag-uusapan!

2 10 2010
sam

hikatalomato,

dagdag mo pa yung mga pulitiko na d sang ayon sa PH bill. Kasi habang dumadami ang pilino, dumadami ang boboto para sa kanila!

1 10 2010
exboywonder

Tama si Carlos Celdran. He gave the church an example of what civil disobedience means. Baka ithreaten din siya ng excommunication? It’s about time people stand-up against the self-righteous. DAMASO!

1 10 2010
senior60

sobra naman itong si carlos celdran, oa to the max, to the highest level,

pwede naman rumampa sa labas ng cathedral, respeto lang naman

sana doon sa nag misa, kahit hindi ka catolico…

or baka media hungry na rin, kailangan ang exposure, gusto mo mag

artista?

1 10 2010
jaypee

do you think kasali xa sa blog na ito kung sa labas xa nagprotest? sana mas marami pa ang katulad nya :)

1 10 2010
Paul

Those bishops stuck in the medieval times never respected us. They do not deserve the respect of anybody either.

1 10 2010
Brixter

Nope, minsan kailangan talaga i-grab ang attention ng mga pinoy para ma-push ang isang issue. Dapat binabatukan ang ibang pinoy para magising. I agree with Celdran on this.

2 10 2010
Lola Nila

team celdran!!! saan va pwedeng mag-bigay ng donasyon para mabawi ni celdran yung pang-pyansa nya…

1 10 2010
BAROK

for once i agree with senior60…

1 10 2010
alpha kappa rho

LOL on the definition of ex.communication.:-)

1 10 2010
potterific_nurse

random reaction ng colleagues upon reading your entry:
“oohh..i like the miriam vs. chavit entry…bagong loveteam ito :)”
“nakakatuwa naman picture ni Pope at ni PNoy”

1 10 2010
alpha kappa rho

if kris invokes psychological incapacity as ground of his annullment case, then she has to necessarily abandon her other ground (lack of authority of the solemnizing officer). They are mutually exclusive with each other. Its like, on the one hand, if both spouses have psychological incapacity when they entered marriage, then it follows that all the essential and formal requisites of marriage have been met. On the other hand, if one of the formal requisites of marriage is absent, then the marriage is void from the beginning. So there is nothing to dissolve on the ground psychological incapacity.

1 10 2010
out of the woodwork

‘Celdran was detained for at least four hours at the Manila Police District Station 5 in Ermita where he started writing two novels’ – ah this is so funny! keep it up, mr. heckler. :-)

2 10 2010
etchosera

Hay naku!!! Tigil-tigilan ako ng mga ipokritong pari na yan, huh?

I was back home sa Pinas about two months ago to attend my cousin’s wedding. The night before the wedding, andun kami sa may simbahan for some last minute fix-ups of the reception area, na sa church gardens gaganapin.

Then here comes DePressed (the priest, gagah!) bagong assign sa town namin, at ipinakilala nga sa akin. Knows nya ako through my mother’s donations sa simbahan. Nagbigay pugay siya sa Reyna Etchosera ng Gitnang Silangan at dafat lang naman, no?

Nampucha! walang kagatol gatol na ask ba naman sa akin kung di daw ba ako magpapainom habang nag-aayos ang mga kamag-anak incorporated dun nga sa garden?

Eh di nagpabili na nga ako ng drinkalu at rent ng video singko as per request of your holiness (mas bagay ata ang holy mess?)

Windang ever ako nang mag-join talaga ang DePressed sa nomohan, with matching karay karay pa na mga boylets, na nalaman ko later on eh stay in sa Kumbento! In furnace, cutipie mga boyseseses na sumabay din sa tagayan! Nung medyo rowdy na yung isang beki (di po ako yun) at nilalandi na yung isang boylet, may-i-sign language na ang Depressed sa mga boylets niya na it is time to iskiyerda na! Parang prusisyon, fall in line ang mga bagets at follow Depressed ang drama pabalik sa kumbento!
Claf! Claf! Claf! Ang galing ng choreo!

Fast forward: Back to the Kingdom ako, na-meet ko naman yung kabayan ko na dating seminarista… so, may-i-kwento ang Etchoserang Palaka about DePressed!

Juicemio! Wag na daw ako magtaka kasi mas malala pa nga raw ang nangyari sa kanila nung high school siya sa loob ng seminaryo. Wala daw sinabi ang mga sexual achuchu sa showbiz! First hand info, right from the victim himself!

ImMoral Lesson: Don’t be Depressed! Be someone else na lang, okey?

2 10 2010
Paul

I Know of a priest in Mindanao who molested over a hundred girls some as young as 10. His bishop know about his abuses but never did something. No much has changed since the Damaso’s time. And some readers want us to respect these scums and the institution that creates them

3 10 2010
eddibumangon

Really now, Paul? You knew it for a fact? Why, did you watched while this priest was molesting these “over a hundred girls some as young as 10″? Hmmm. If this be true, then you were party to the crime as an accomplice.

But my guess is, you are lying. You did not Know, and you just heard it from someone who also heard it from somebody else, and the number went up to more than a hundred as the lies are repeated. :-)

3 10 2010
eddibumangon

@etchos: you too are guilty of a using a fallacy in logic called hasty generalization. Just because you know of one Depressed na may boylets, you can accuse all Depressed to must have boylets as well.

Seriously though, how I wished na sana naging sacristan din ako noon. :-)

3 10 2010
chiwee

the 5th class municipality of my nanay had a mayor who was a son of a their parish priest. the mayor, who lorded it over the town for 30 years had a lot of siblings, all from this parish priest, and they proudly carried their holy father’s surname – IMPERIAL

4 10 2010
Paul

Go to Lake Sebu, South Cotabato and you will also know who this priest is. I do not lie like the Catholic Church who for a long time maintained that the earth is the center of the universe. And I don’t accuse people of without proof unlike the Catholic Church whio for a long time accused the boys abused by priests of lying

1 10 2010
Worried Pinoy

Kahit kailan, hindi pwedeng pagsamahin ang gubyerno at relihiyon. Masyado na talagang nakikialam ang CBCP sa gubyerno sa usapin ng reproduction. May magagawa ba ang mga pari pag wala ng makain ang mga bata na ginawa ng mga iresponsableng mga magulang?

1 10 2010
Paul

What is hard to understand is why CBCP is imposing their sense of what is right on the whole country. Not all Filipinos are Catholic and many Catholics are non-practicing. Even in countries with strong Catholic tradition such as Spain and Italy, there is universal access to contraceptives

1 10 2010
BAROK

Just give people the darn right to choose…let the state do his job of what it think is right and the church do his own to inform his flock.
At the end it is the children who suffer the most…not the church nor the government.

1 10 2010
kalokah

update on @senmiriam – she is RH bill supporter.
she is with team carlos celdran :D

1 10 2010
dogibels

major major LOL
napahagalpak ako ng malakas sa comment ni LM, lalo na yun message ni Yosi Kadiri kay P.Noy

1 10 2010
blueheart16

mr. heckler!..bow ako ulet sau..like the carlos celdran issue!

1 10 2010
professionalheckler

:-)

1 10 2010
Anonymous

we’ll, i firmly believe that the PNOY and Shalani relationship is just a sham to enhance PNOY’s persona during the campaign period, if your 50 years old and into hotdogs and guns, I guess you need to talk to Freud

2 10 2010
etchosera

Korekajan ‘Teh! Natumbok mo!

Sabi nga nung pamangkin ko……. BULL EYES!

1 10 2010
napadaan lang

wala naman atang against religion or even being a Christian itself about the RH bill. I just think it’s something that teaches the people how to be responsible.

Pero siguro giving away contraceptives will just encourage more people to commit adultery and pre-marital sex. I guess that’s something that we can classify as “against religion or being a Christian.”

Pero mukhang hindi iyan ang point ng simbahan eh. Abortion ba kamo ang paggamit ng contraceptives? Anyone who has moral values, regardless of what their religion is would really think that abortion is wrong. Kaya sana, wag na sila ganyan magreact. Sobra na eh..

Hindi ko alam kung tama ito, pero ang intindi ko kasi sa abortion eh yung igigive up mo yung baby as in yung fetus kasi “life” yun eh, and I don’t think you can consider a fetus na buhay na unless may heartbeat na siya. May heartbeat na ba ang sperms?

2 10 2010
ranjit

wala silang heartbeat, pero meron silang head and tail! LOL!

Abortion is a diferent issue, kaso yan ang claim ng simbahan, that contraceptives is abortion. Nagbago na ang panahon, kesa nman dumami ang unwanted pregnancies might as well give people info on contraception

1 10 2010
Pongster

Ang Tuwid na Daan

Hindi pala sa “Daang Matuwid” kundi sa “Daan-daang Matuwid”

Sa BIR kasi, ang hingi “Daan-daang Libo” at the very least.

2 10 2010
etchosera

Oo nga po! Kahit po yung kasambahay ng kapitbahay ng kinakapatid ng pinsan ko ay nagrereklamo eh.

Di lang daw liko liko……bako bako din daw po ang mga Daan! Ang hirap nga daw pong pumunta ng palengke…. pero I’m sure, ide-deny po yan ni Mayor Lim!

Kaya, tulad nyo, sang ayon po talaga ako na dapat gumamit din po ng mga contraceptives yang mga pari at obispo…… para naman po di na madagdagan pa ang mga rason ni Kris sa pakikipaghiwalay kay fafa James!

Yun lang po.

2 10 2010
crispinbasilio

ph, the way you handled the c. celdran issue is not at all offensive, but really very funny. the comments that you got, however, are obviously from people who are not really privy to the real issues. they are reacting to what the media have hyped about and not on the real issues as raised by the cbcp.
more power to you, ph! continue to stir our minds! and more wisdom to your commentators!

2 10 2010
senior60

@worried pinoy…

ang mga pari walang magagawa, pero si noynoy mayroon…

‘di ba marami syang dala mula sa kanyang biyahe? gamitin na kaagad,

bigyan na ng trabaho ang mga iresponsableng mga magulang para

may makain na ang mga bata….

bakit ba hindi dapat mag birth control, kung tutuusin, hindi naman ito

kautusan ng mga pari kundi kautusan ni God, go and multiply…

there is enough room and food for everybody, God provides….

2 10 2010
Brixter

WHAT? Using common sense lang, madali namang ma-figure out na may limits ang resources natin. May hangganan ang lupa na pwedeng pagtirhan. May limit din sa food supply. Pati ang pera ng gobyerno may limits din. Kawawa nga mga natural resources natin. Mga endangered wildlife natin kinakain at binebenta para lang magkapera. May nakikita ka pa bang wildlife sa Manila?

Hindi rin madali magbigay ng trabaho sa mga tao dahil mostly kulang sa qualifications. Pwede mo bang i-hire na call center agent ang walang pinag-aralan? No offense, example lang.

Alam kong powerful si God pero are you expecting a miracle from Him to solve our population problems? Binigyan tayo ng utak para gamitin. Bakit hindi natin i-solve ang mga problema natin. We need to stop unwanted pregnancies.

3 10 2010
dede

mas marami kamo ang tamad… walang magugutom kung walang tamad

3 10 2010
dede

pahabol, bakit, call center nalang ba ang pwedeng pagkunan ng kita?

2 10 2010
Lola Nila

pwedeng magbayad ng buwis ang simbahan para nman may pang-dagdag ang ating goberno sa kanilang proyekto.

pwede rin ipamahagi ng simbahan ang kanilang mga properties dhil maraming pag-aari yan. Mamuhay ang mga pari ayun sa kanilang “vow” of poverty.

lower the tuition fees sa kanilang mga school para affordable sa mga mahihirap.

libre ang pa-binyag, pa-kasal o bayad sa patay..

once Miss Peru was asked in Miss Asia-Pacific held in Cebu in the late ’80s..

“if you have the chance to be an audience with the Pope, what will you do?” Miss Peru replied, “I will ask the Pope why he doesn’t want to sell the properties in Vatican and share it to the poor.”

2 10 2010
Worried Pinoy

@Senior60

– Ang totoong kahulugan po ng “Go and Multiply” na sinasabi nyo ay “Humayo kayo at ipag-kalat ang wika ng Diyos. Hindi po magparami ng lahi. Subukan mo pumunta sa India or Somalia, then tell me if there are really enough room and food for everybody. Though I agree with on the Noynoy part.

2 10 2010
etchosera

Naku lolo, humataw ka na naman!

I agree, there is enough room and food for everybody……. pero ang mamahal naman ng board and lodging these days! Isang maliit na kwarto nga lang sa Makati eh 5k na ang renta, wala pang gastos sa pagkain dun, huh?

I also agree that God provides……. but who distributes?

2 10 2010
babaylan

saan mo naman nalaman o nabasa na kautusan ng diyos ang magparami, at huwag kontrolin ang pagpapamilya, sa bibliya, sa papa sa roma, o sa sabi-sabi???

2 10 2010
Paul

Then Ramon Revilla, Dophy and Father Damaso are the best of Christians for they definitely went to town in multiplying. We might as well allow polygamy using your interpretation of the bible

2 10 2010
anon

kris aquino and her borderline personality disorder is also reason
to stop some people having children. the sins of the parents are visited upon the children.
and also one day p-noy might admit to the sham of shalani and
his own personality disorder and the counselling
he had in boston,
now kris has admitted to it it makes it more difficult for
him to deny, but of course he will
just as he has denied breaking up with shalani
and just as he denies the shortcomings of usec puno
must be great to be in denial all the time and live in a fantasy world

2 10 2010
Pnoy's sub

Sha, andito lang ako. ANg mga balikat ko handa na sa mga dalamhati mu. Ang mga bisig ko nakahanda na ring buhatin ka at ang mga dinadala mo. Ang mga tainga ko handa ng pakinggan ka. Ang puso ko ay handa na ring magmahal sa iyo. Marami pang handa sa akin. Andito lang ako.

PS. I don’t smoke and I don’t like hotdog.

2 10 2010
etchosera

… ang kaso nga eh, kamukha mo din daw si Pnoy…. at di ka naman presidente.

Sagot ni Shalani……. AYAW!

2 10 2010
Noynoy

You Bishops need to kick Celdran’s gay ass!

2 10 2010
sam

NOYNOY,

Bishops need to kick celdran’s gay ass?????!!!!! careful noynoy! marami din gay sa mga pari kasi that’s where the little BOYS are!
MABUHAY SI CARLOS CELDRAN! FOR TAKING A STAND!
Better GAY than HET na anak ng anak ng anak WALA NAMAN IPAPAKAIN!!!!

A LOT MAY DISAGREE BUT THERE IS REALLY A CORRELATION BETWEEN POVERTY AND CRIME!!!!

nakakagigil itong simbahang katoliko. mga hypocrites!

3 10 2010
Noynoy

Well then, the GAY Bishops need to kick ole Celdran’s GAY ass!! Sam if you’re GAY…join in, kick Celdran’s GAY ass and the Bishop’s GAY ass!! Ouchie!!

2 10 2010
Paul

Many bishops and priests would rather lick it given their history of abusing people for sexual purposes

2 10 2010
katotohanan

I’m with carlos celdran, but he’s wrong by doing the protest while the mass is going on, maybe he can do it after the mass or when the church is at peace.

the anti-smoking program of councilor shalani made me laugh to death, because pnoy was well known of smoking. maybe they were not really meant to be.

HAHAHA!

4 10 2010
qwertyasdf

LOL, eh di walang epekto yun kung walang misa? sige nga, mag-strike ka na ikaw lang mag-sa at walang nakakakita sayo. tapos balitaan mo ako ha.

2 10 2010
karaangbugoy

Just because he disagrees with what the Church says doesn’t give Mr. Celdran the right to disrupt one of the most important sacraments of my faith. I respect his views, he should respect my religion.

In a democracy, we have the right to speak up our mind but we also have the obligation to respect other people’s belief.

Kay Brixter, sabi mo:

“Nope, minsan kailangan talaga i-grab ang attention ng mga pinoy para ma-push ang isang issue. Dapat binabatukan ang ibang pinoy para magising. I agree with Celdran on this.”

Eh tanong ko ngayon, nagbago ba ang pananaw ng simbahang Catoliko at sa sambayanang Filipino tungkol sa RH Bill dahil sa ginawa ni Mr. Celdran? Ang tanging bunga ng kanyang ka-OA-han ay karagdagang TV time para sa kanyang sarili. In short, nagtagumpay siya sa kanyang hangarin.

2 10 2010
Paul

Celdran only disrupted a mass while the church abused and killed mass of people. In the past, thousands of Filipinos were killed to build those churches and during the reducciones. At present, the church killed a lot of women who were forced into illegal abortion due to unavailability of contraception

3 10 2010
Brixter

Not yet, pero malapit na. :) Team Celdran!!

Your argument is silly. Yun nga ang point ng protest e. To call attention. Tingan mo yung mga People power at mga transport strikes, palagay mo ba mapapansin sila kung hindi nila dini-disrupt ang normal na buhay natin?

On disrespect, I could say the same for CBCP.

– Threatening to excommunicate PNoy
– Refusing communion to politicians who support the RH bill
– Asking the president to fire Sec. Cabral for doing her job
– Telling people not to vote for politicians supporting the RH bill

Is it not disrespect to the separation of church and state? Is it not disrespect to atheists, muslims, INC, etc who are also encompassed by the bill? Is it not disrespect to catholics’ personal lives, where the church clearly has no say or experience? Sino ngayon ang disrespectful?

3 10 2010
etchosera

I like your analogy…. no frills, simple and direct to the point. Wa kiyems!

Ayyyyy! Love na kita Brixter….. promise!

Pakiss nga…. sabay hug!

Ahihihihihi!

2 10 2010
darkcheron

Huwatt?!!! Si Kris Aquino may personality disorder?! Weh, di nga?!!! Grabe nakaka-bigla naman yang news na yan!

E kung pareho pa la silang may personality disorder edi dapat kunin na ng DSWD si Baby James at ipaampon sa mga magulang na may tamang pag-iisip. Kung sa US yan edi nasa doorstep na nila ang mga social workers to conduct an interview.

My 2 cents on the Carlos Celdran issue:
I am also pro-choice like most people here but I have to say, what he did was kinda rude and disrespectful. It’s inside the friggin’ church in the middle of a mass for crying out loud! Couldn’t he have done it outside and maybe after the mass when the people are about to get out of the church? Indeed it was very effective to catch everyone’s attention but I think Mr. Celdran is talented enough and resourceful enough to come up with a better way to get his message across.

Now for the Catholic Church: Are we on Survivor now where you could vote somebody off when that person chooses his own way of living? You have to realize that many of your “laws” are outdated. You should be flexible as God is forgiving. God will not come down to point to our faces and say that we’re sinners. I believe that when he gave us free will it meant that we are allowed to do as we think is best for as long as it does not hurt anybody else. You’re too uptight and it’s so misrepresenting God! Oh and stop meddling (threatening) the government because for hundreds of years now the church had been separated from state…

2 10 2010
watcher

Celdran being gay is ok. But he is more like a clown.

3 10 2010
Noynoy

Why are there so many GAY asses in the Philippines? Where ever you go, whereever you look…frickin GAYs all around! Fruitcakes all over!

3 10 2010
eddibumangon

…AND YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT?

3 10 2010
sam

like eddibumangon said: and you have a problem with that????!!!!

NOYNOY,

i am not gay. But I have a lot of gay friends. And I stand for GAY rights. And I stand for Carlos celdran taking action against the catholic church. I am catholic but i do not agree with everything the church espouses.

I respect gays more than people who are in the CLOSET because they are so friggin scared of what the church and society will say!

4 10 2010
Twin-Skies

They’re here, and they’re queer. Get over it.

2 10 2010
pihikan chronicles

noynoy shouldn’t worry.
INC is supporting him all the way

2 10 2010
jasper

chavit vs miriam = sabit vs sayad

2 10 2010
Vicky L.D.

A former parish priest (RIP na) in our village once said, ” do as I preach, do not do as I do.” During my secondary school days, one of the former parish priests (RIP na rin) in my hometown had a son. And there are many other priests allegedly having romantic affairs either with single or married women. And the worst of it all, priests molesting young boys & girls. . . . Nasan na ang pinangangalandakan nilang moralidad? Meron ba sila? . . . At ngayon sinasabi nila nilabag ni Celdran ang kasagraduhan ng misa. Alin kaya ang mas mabigat na kasalanan, ang ginawa ni Celdran o ang paglapastangan sa dignidad at kapurihan ng tao? . . . . Buhay pa talaga si Padre Damaso! At dumami pa lahi nya. . . . Bangon Jose Rizal!

3 10 2010
eddibumangon

are we not guilty of hastily generalizing here? are those priests who molest boys and girls represent the norm or are they just the exceptions? there are pedophiles who are not priests, does that make a pedophile of us all? nagtatanong lang po, i’m sure may sagot na naman si etchos dito.

3 10 2010
etchosera

The number you have dialed is not yet a telephone! Please try your call elsewhere!

4 10 2010
qwertyasdf

pari ka ba?

4 10 2010
Twin-Skies

The point is that instead of having these sex offenders brought to justice, the Vatican has instead systematically protected them by moving them from parish to parish, without as much as a penalty.

Now let me ask you – how would YOU feel if the office you worked for willingly let its staff get away with rape by transferring them overseas, while silencing the victims either through threats or bribes?

6 10 2010
eddibumangon

qwertyasdf,

Ako ba tinatanong mo? Tanong mo dyan kay etchos, baka may cellphone na siya. :-)

Seriously, hindi ako pari at isang lang akong hamak na bading dito sa gitnang silangan. Satisfied?

2 10 2010
alfred

Love the part when the Priest ordered Basilio and Crispin to usher out Celdran, just wondering who would be the modern version of Sisa? hehehehe

3 10 2010
dede

pedeng si miriam

3 10 2010
etchosera

Ahem!

4 10 2010
ahku

@alfred, ibig sabihin ni PH si Celdran ay si Sisa.

2 10 2010
redd

Hinay-hinay lang tayo sa pag-generalize ng lahat ng pari. Marami din naman sa kanila ay talagang tapat sa kanilang piniling buhay. Si Bishop Pabillo, halimbawa, dating pari yan ng Don Bosco at umalis para pumunta sa pinakamahirap na simbahan sa Palawan, special request ba. Ginawang obispo at dinala sa manila para magsilbing halimbawa sa ilang materyosong pari. Siguro, mababalitaan niyo siya sa mga usapin sa Land Reform na nakikiisa sa mga magsasaka ng Sumilao at Hacienda Luisita. Kasama ba siya sa mga bulok na pari at obispo?

Para kasing napakababaw ng tingin ng tao sa isyu na kesyo ayaw ng simbahang Katolika, lahat na sila, sampu ng kanilang ginawa, ay puro mali. Pwede naman tayong hindi sumang-ayon ng hindi nagiging irasyonal. Maraming Pilipino na Katoliko di naman mahilig magsimba, pero di naman ibig sabihin nun itigil na pagsisimba o siraan ang simbahan dahil para sa atin walang kwenta o raket lang ang mga misa.

Where there is difference in opinion, may charity rule.

4 10 2010
etchosera

I don’t generalize that the whole clergy is guilty of the sins of some of their brothers. However, I condemn the whole institution for allowing these abuses to continue, and not lift a finger to punish those who are guilty.

A lot has changed in our Parish the past two decades or so. Our monsignor then was from our town…. at may anak.

Yung isang pari, kung makapagsermon eh akala mo siya ang nagpapalamon sa mga parishioners, as in sermon talaga! Hanapin mo naman kung gusto mong mangumpisal, nasa mahjong session. Ang resulta….. halos wala nang gustong magsimba. The townsfolk just can’t bear it. The next one, nakipagrelasyon naman sa kasamahan ko sa choir. Ang pumalit eh associated naman sa mga leftists. The next one, hayagang may pamilya sa kabilang bayan. Yung sumunod naman, eh dambuhalang badette na kinapa yung ari ng nangungumpisal na groom. Pinalitan pa ulit ng isa pang sirena na pasok ang isang balde sa laki ng bunganga …. at hanep kung magsolicit para daw sa repairs ng simbahan, hanggang ngayon eh wala man lang makita sa mga pinadala naming mga OFWs for the said cause.

I remember vividly nung ikinasal nya yung isa ko pang pinsan. Ampotah, ang bungad ba naman pagsalita sa altar eh “Ang guwapo ng groom!”

At eto nga, isa na namang badetching na lasengga pa ang na-assign sa amin.

AYOKO NA! TAMA NA! SA BAHAY NA LANG AKO MAGDADASAL!

4 10 2010
eddibumangon

etchos,

hmmmm. now i got it, marami ka palang 1st hand knowledge sa bagay na yan. pansin ko lang, napakasalaula naman ng parokya niyo. i still maintain that this is not what’s happening in the majority of parishes all over the world. and don’t you think that the pope is doing his best to cleanse their rank?

4 10 2010
etchosera

Correction please: Hindi salaula ang parokya namin…..Salaula ang nagpapatakbo di lang ng parokya, kundi ng buong diocese!

It’s really no wonder why the turn-out of church goers have tremendously decreased …. and the proliferation of new Christian denominations have flourished over these past 2-3 decades.

Kakalungkot isipin pero yan ang katotohanan. By choice, I am a non-practicing Catholic. I’ve had enough of the hypocrisy.

Di rin po ako Muslim. Ang panuntunan ko na lang sa buhay eh ang makatulong sa kapwa, in my own little ways. I believe na as long as wala akong sinasaktang tao physically, okey ako kay GOD.

However, I don’t and won’t encourage other people to do the same. To each his own. Kanya kanya tayong pamantayan kung ano ang tama at mali para sa atin.

5 10 2010
eddibumangon

sori i did not make that clear, i meant your church and its leaders and not the church-goers.

6 10 2010
redd

but aren’t institutions created by people? so who can change the institution? can we not also acknowledge that some people persist in reforming their religious institutions, not only christians? Martin Luther also sought to reform the church and most of his ideas found their way into Vatican II. Like you, I too find the acts of your priest inhuman, not only un-christian. I can’t blame if you start to feel disenchanted about the church, because after all, it is supposed to symbolize something good and divine. However, I too have seen worse examples than you have but I chose to initiate reforms in my own little ways. One time I approached a priest because he was speaking too fast I could not understand what he was saying. He felt insulted that someone would try to correct him. I simply asked him if he is beyond reproach or correction with regards public speaking? It’s not a church thing but a given for a public speaker. My point is let us remind them that we are equal (by virtue of baptism) and that their role is not used to serve their interests or justify their behavior. Maybe the debate on the RH bill will make these clerics recognize that wisdom is not their monopoly.

3 10 2010
senior60

anong kaguluhan ito….

@worried pinoy, bigla akong napatawag sa isang kakilala
na relihioso at nagtanong about, go and multiply, now
i know na, akalain mo, sa ganitong age ko na nalaman…

@etchosera, frog ka nga, hataw ka ng hataw, you are all
over the places, events and happenings, try mo minsan
magpahinga…

@brixter, natumbok mo, binigyan na tayo ni God ng utak
para gamitin, sinangkapan na tayo ng lahatlahat, kaya
huwag na tayong maghintay ng milagro, abuso na yan…

re: contraceptives, ang problema dito, hindi naman lahat
ng gumagamit dito ay married couples, more than
them, the happiest, those who are having illicit affairs
and worst, the teen-agers, kaya ito ay pagpalaganap
ng immoralidad….

kulang na lang ipangalandakan ng RH bill na yan na,
sige, gawin na ninyo ang gusto nyong gawin, gamit lang
kayo ng contraceptives to avoid unwanted pregnancies,
tama ba naman yan? kayong mga magulang, payag na
kayong gawin ng mga unmarried children ninyo dahil
karamihan dito in favor naman?

si cory kaya, in favor din kaya sa decision ni noynoy?
ang 3 sisters ni noynoy na mukhang mga relihioso din,
okay ba sa kanila?

3 10 2010
eddibumangon

“…re: contraceptives, ang problema dito, hindi naman lahat
ng gumagamit dito ay married couples, more than
them, the happiest, those who are having illicit affairs
and worst, the teen-agers, kaya ito ay pagpalaganap
ng immoralidad….” – senior60

hmmmm. hindi pa batas ngayon ang RH Bill, ibig bang sabihin walang “illicit affairs” at hindi laganap ang “immoralidad”? :-)

3 10 2010
Paul

There is nothing wrong with teenagers having sex. But something is wrong if they get pregnant or get a disease. Sex is a natural human function that should be enjoyed like eating and drinking. If you did not have a joyous sex life as a teenager, sorry for you. But why prevent others from having one.

4 10 2010
etchosera

I agree…..wholeheartedly! Though babalik na naman tayo sa usaping sex education nyan.

4 10 2010
eddibumangon

“…If you did not have a joyous sex life as a teenager, sorry for you…”

OUCH!!! :-(

6 10 2010
Anonymous

Only that eating and drinking dont have the “huge” consequence of bringing a new life into the world. But then again due to contraceptives the purpose of sex as the vehicle by which humans show each other their love for each other which results into the concrete manifestation this love via the creation of a new being (as well as being enjoyable) is now being relegated to the sidelines. Or in purely biological terms a way of the propagation of a species that is instigated by chemical and neurological impulses derived from said act. Instead sex is now a mere means to satisfy an appetite and reproduction an unintended consequence. In biological terms sex supposedly is no longer reproduction but rather a purely chemical and physical response to impulses, or libido if you will, and as the undesired side effect of an offspring being created.

So apparently something is “wrong” when they get pregnant from an act which was shaped by millions of years of evolution to be a means for the propagation of a species rather than a merely a source of pleasure.

And one why should one be sorry if one chose not to have sex in adolescence, is sex the end all of one’s existence? Biologically maybe, but for humans who have derived other motivations for existing then why should it be an issue. And mind you just because you can doesn’t always mean you should

3 10 2010
eddibumangon

“KUNG WALANG CORRUPT, WALANG MAHIRAP” – Pnoy’s campaign slogan

Ngayon naman sasabihin niya na para maibsan ang kahirapan, dapat pigilin ang pagdami ng mga Pinoy? Alin ba talaga ang totoo sa mga sinasabi ng Pang-gulo na ito?

3 10 2010
senior60

@eddiebumangon

wala naman akong na mention kung batas na ba sya or hindi pa…

ang dapat talaga, i ban ang contraceptives of any kind, tiyak,
magpapakain ang mga pari…

at maghuramentado ang mga makakati…

3 10 2010
i'm no angel

it’s very dangerous to pigeonhole and generalize things…
1. the Philippines is not 100% catholic and the church doesn’t have the right to impose it’s views on the state. the Spanish regime is over a long time ago.
as much as I love being a catholic i really wish that the clergymen would get off the goverment’s back on the RH bill.

2. having artficial contraception as an option does not mean increased promiscuity… it depends on one’s morals and beliefs… and for parents it is how you bring up your children.

the reality is our population is increasing and our resources cannot keep up with it. If we don’t do something about it now, we will all suffer in the end.
I really hope that all Filipinos will come to an agreement on this issue,

4 10 2010
mbw

this thing about over-population (musings ko lang ito) sa Pinas and the need for future jobs is often resolved by being or striving to be an OFW. So many countries for instance need care-givers and yayas kasi wala sa kultura nila mag-alaga ng sariling pamilya. Kaya maraming Pinoy/Pinay nga ang nagiging ganito because of our nurturing culture. E kamo…ang mga bata ngayon (karamihan ng nakikita ko) ay hindi makaka-pasa sa astang tiyaga at sipag na standard ng ibang bansa…kasi walang gumagabay sa kanila. Ang mga magulang kasi nasa ibang bansa nagtratrabaho!

4 10 2010
mang cruz

Di ba nakakahawa ang “Personality disorders”? Sana di mahawa ang mga anak nila at mga kapatid. Or, genetically present ba ito among siblings? Just wondering.

4 10 2010
kokey

aba aba… kayong mga “pro-choice” kuno dyan, porke’t buhay na kayo may karapatan na kayong magdedecide kung ilan na lang ang dapat maipanganak sa susunod na henerasyon? choice niyong nabubuhay oo, pero asan ang choice ng unborn dun? and you call yourself “PRO-CHOICE”?

sabi ni noynoy dati, ‘pag walang corrupt, walang mahirap’. papaano pumasok ang over population dun? nag-iba na ang slogan niya sa `pag konti ang anak, walang mahirap?`

and sa pagkakakulong ng celdran na yan na mas malayong kamukha ni padre damaso kesa kay rizal, bakit ninyo sinisisi ang simbahan? nasa revised penal code ang violation na ginawa niya, simbahan ba ang may akda nun?

4 10 2010
Aysus

Naman. As if catholic lang ang pakialamero sa pulitika.

Right, INC?

4 10 2010
Comment Lang Po

sa pinakahuli, ang pakikinggan ng tao (at susunurin ang mga payo) ay ang kanilang binibigyan ng respeto. mukhang kulang ito ngayon sa simbahang katoliko hindi lamang sa ating bansa kundi sa iba’t ibang parte ng mundo.

alalahanin lamang sana natin na ang mga pari ng simbahang katoliko ay tao lamang at pwede ring madapa. ulit, nasa tunay na karakter na iyan ng isang tao kung ano ang kanyang gagawin (at HINDI gagawin.)

maraming kwento tungkol sa mga di kanais nais ng mga ginawa ng mga pari at ang kanilang pagkalugmok sa kasalanan. di hamak na mas mabigat ang kasalanan ng kanilang mga nakakataas (bishop o kardinal, kahit ang papa) sa pagpapaubaya at walang kilos laban sa mga katiwalian…

tama ang sinasabi ng iba na nais lamang ibalik ng mga obispo ang kanilang nawalang kapangyarihan sa pamamagitan ng issue na ito. ngunit dahil na rin sa nawala na ang respeto ng marami sa kagagawan ng ilan (at pagpapaubaya ng mga namumuno) hindi sila diringgin at mababalik lamang sila sa pinagkalugmukan nila sa limot ng kapwa nating mamamayan.

may maayos pa rin pong mga pari, ngunit (gaya ng pulis) nakakabulok sa buong simbahan ang kamaliang ginagawa ng iba. at tandaan natin sana ang ginawa ng mga namumuno ng simbahan sa kanilang pagsasanla ng prinsipyo mula pa sa panahon ng HOLOCAUST (tingnan nyo na lang po ang itinuring ng mga namuno sa simbahang katoliko nuong panahon na iyon) hanggang sa HELLO GARCI…

sa akin lang po, di ako pipili ng “LESSER EVIL”, pipiliin ko pa rin po ang tama at makatarungan kahit na ito’y katiting lamang…

4 10 2010
eddibumangon

The Roman Catholic Church survived for centuries, despite all it’s monumental flaws. It will continue to survive for centuries more to come, long after Noynoy and all his yellow fanatics are gone.

MARK MY WORD: NOYNOY WILL BLINK FIRST!!!

5 10 2010
senior60

@ paul and etchosera

” There is nothing wrong with teenagers having sex”

Of course there is, if it is done out of wedlock yet.
Are both of you parents already?, then woe to your
children for having you.

Ano na ba ito, pati sex gusto nyo nang gawing pang
araw araw na gawain, susme, sumosobra na kayo ha

5 10 2010
hikatalomato

kwentong walang kwenta:

scene: priest teaching natural birth control method to his teenage sakritans.

pari: para hindi mabuntis mga jowa ninyo, sa wetpu at bunganga ninyo iputok

sakritan 7″: ay oo nga no, bakit di ko nasiisip yan.

sakristan 6.5″: aprub po ba ng simbahan ang ganyang method pader?

pari: ay oo naman. pero kailangan ninyong magparktis ng maigi para maging bihasa sa ganitong method.

sakristan 8″: sino po ba pwede naming pagparaktisan? di naman siguro pwede mga jowa namin baka po sumablay.

pari: akoh!

5 10 2010
eddibumangon

LOL, hikata. ako rin available pagpraktisan. kaya lang, di ‘ata makatotohanan names ng mga sacristan. ang alam kong average sa Pinoy ay 5″. :-)

5 10 2010
etchosera

My goodness Lolo, at your age, I can understand na hindi mo na kaya araw arawin, but that’s not the argument.

It’s being responsible… knowing the consequence before committing the act.

Juicemio! Are we going back again to the Dark Ages?

6 10 2010
Anonymous

But that is the problem because of contraceptives people think that there are 100% no more consequences

5 10 2010
eddibumangon

Anong assurance ang maibibigay ng ating Pang-gulo na pag maisabatas ang RH bill ay mapipigilan ang paglobo ng populasyon ng bansa? If I remembered correctly, even during the days of Martial Law, family planning was already pushed by the government. Same case during the terms of Flavier and Cabral at the DOH.

In other words, can this bill succeed when all other similar actions before it have failed?

6 10 2010
senior60

@etchosera

kaya nga, kung may mga anak ka at responsable sila, marunong

silang gumamit ng contraceptives para hindi mabuntis, ok lang

sa inyo ni paul ang makipag sex ang inyong mga teenagers dahil

you’d want them to have a joyous sex life? ang galiiinnnggg galiinnnggg

ninyong mga magulang…

9 10 2010
purokdos

kaya mas kamukha ni celdran c damaso kaysa k rizal ay dahil…. prayle din ang kalolololohan nya. sa mga tumawa… sory d to joke

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